I wish I could say that no AI was used on this podcast. I hate AI, but I also don't have a budget for a producer, so I use Riverside.com to help edit these.

I know. I told Julia Kugel and Scott Montoya of Soft Palms, whose book "How To Be Self-Reliant In The Music Industry" is out now, and they are not fans of AI, either. They are smart folks that have been through a lot with Soft Palms, as well as their own bands, The Coathangers and The Growlers, and Julia's solo project, Julia, Julia.

Soft Palms have a new single out NOW, and their upcoming record, In Echo, is out TODAY! They will also be touring the US and EU this late Summer and Fall. Tour dates here.